QA:柬埔寨人如何看待越南人?
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How do Cambodians view Vietnamese?
柬埔寨人如何看待越南人?
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Anonymous
We hate Vietnam and Vietnamese Why do we hate Vietnamese?The Vietnamese have absolutely no respect towards us. They make fun of our language and culture. Khmer Krom, the indigenous people, rightful owner of South Vietnam live in constant discrimination by the Vietnamese. They are second class citizens in their own ancestral land.
我们讨厌越南和越南人。为什么我们会讨厌越南人?因为越南人完全不尊重我们,他们拿我们的语言和文化开玩笑,他们取笑我们的语言和文化。高棉人,原住民这些越南南部原本的合法主人,却一直生活在越南人的歧视中。他们在自己祖先的土地上是二等公民。
The Vietnam is the most aggressive country in Asia. Before it was only a tiny place in the South China. After independence from China, this aggressive country has never stopped expanding and antagonizing its neighborsToday Vietnam had exterminated Champa country and took half of Cambodia. Vietnamese constantly move their borders further into Cambodian territory
越南是亚洲最具侵略性的国家。之前,它只是中国南部的一个小地方。后来从中国独立后,这个侵略性很强的国家从未停止过扩张和侵略邻国的脚步,如今的越南已经灭掉了占婆国,占领了半个柬埔寨。而且越南人正不断地将边界进一步移至柬埔寨境内
Vietnam is a country formed by invading other people’s land! Vietnamese do not feel sorry for it, they shamelessly portray their country as an innocent thing. They shamelessly look down on Cambodia and belittle Cambodians. Our ancestors created a beautiful civilization, but you won''t be surprised to hear many Vietnamese belittle Khmer people, say we lack intelligence, make fun of our language and culture. How is it possible for us to like Vietnamese?
越南是一个通过侵略他国土地而形成的国家! 越南人并不为此觉得丢脸,他们无耻地把自己的国家描绘成一个无辜的国家。他们无耻地看不起柬埔寨,贬低柬埔寨人。我们的祖先创造了一个美丽的文明,但如果你看到很多越南人经常贬低高棉人,骂我们智商欠费,嘲笑我们的语言和文化,你并不会感到惊讶。所以我们怎么可能喜欢越南人呢?
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Regarding the Khmer Rouge period, keep in mind that the Ho Chi Minh trail ended in Cambodia’s sovereign territory. As the war escalated, these foreign Vietnamese troops further pushed into the Cambodian countryside away from the Cambodian-Viet border. With them came more bombings, more fighting, and a foreign authority. Though they toppled the Khmer Rouge, the subsequent occupation was another period of Vietnamese occupation from their perspective. Hanoi did not plan it as an humanitarian mission. The aim was removing a defiant Pol Pot who had invaded Vietnamese territory and refused to work with the Vietnamese SRV government. The Vietnamese would occupy Cambodia for the next decade.
关于红色高棉时期,请记住,胡志明路线在柬埔寨的主权领土上结束了。随着战争的升级,这些外国的越南军队进一步推进到柬埔寨农村,深入柬越边境。伴随着他们的是更多的轰炸,更多的战斗,以及外国当局的干涉。虽然他们推翻了红色高棉,但从柬埔寨人的角度来看,随后又是另一个越南占领的时期。河内并没有把它作为一个人道主义任务来执行。其目的是为了赶走一个入侵越南领土,并拒绝与越南政府合作的挑衅者波尔布特。越南人将在未来十年内占领柬埔寨。
Beyond that Vietnamese can often have a patronizing view of the Khmer and Lao . It’s not uncommon to hear some Vietnamese talk idyllically about a new Indochina federation. For them the idea sounds wise and natural. Their vision is of a bigger political space, once again guided by Vietnam. For Khmer, this sounds like the return to yet another era of Vietnamese political domination.
除此以外,越南人对高棉人和老挝人往往会抱有一种畸形的看法。常常听到一些越南人田园诗般地谈论新的印度支那联邦。对他们来说,这个想法听起来很明智,也很自然。他们的愿景是一个更广阔的政治空间,再次以越南为领导核心。对高棉人来说,这听起来像是越南另一个政治统治时代的回归。
Văn Hưng Trần
In my opinion, Cambodians view Vietnamese varies depend on who you ask the question and whether he/she is open-mind or not. For most of cambodians don''t have any any close relationship with vietnamese, they think vietnamese are wicked and a bit evil, they are afraid vietnamese will do harm to cambodia, like a brain wash story they have been told: the vietnamese''s ancestors took the land of khmer''s ancestors. The same thing happen to some cambodians who deal business with vietnamese. They fear vietnamese will steal their jobs, their business model…., and chinese is less harmful.
在我看来,柬埔寨人对越南人的看法是不一样的,这取决于你问的人是谁,以及这个人是否有开放的心态。大多数柬埔寨人与越南人没有任何密切的联系,他们认为越南人是坏人,有点邪恶,他们害怕越南人对柬埔寨造成伤害,就像他们听过的洗脑故事那样:越南人的祖先夺走了高棉人祖先的土地。同样的事情也发生在一些与越南人做生意的柬埔寨人身上。他们担心越南人会抢走他们的工作,抢走他们的商业模式,而中国人的危险性相对小得多。
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Joey
There is some interesting parallels between Sino-Vietnamese relations and Viet-Cambodian Relations, both have to do with the bigger power forcing their culture on the weaker one and taking land.
中越关系和越柬关系有一些有趣的相似之处,都与大国强行将自己的文化强加于弱国,抢夺土地有关。
Ask a Cambodian:
Is the Mekong Delta originally Cambodian Land?
I would suspect everyone would say yes, and they will go on for days about how it was stolen by the “filthy” Vietnamese.
问一个柬埔寨人。湄公河三角洲原来是柬埔寨的土地吗?我猜想大家都会说:是的。而且他们会说上好几天,那是被 "肮脏的 "越南人偷走的。
Ask a Vietnamese:Are some parts of Yunnan, Guangxi and Guangdong a part of Vietnam?
Considering the timeline for Sino-Vietnamese hostilities is much longer, I would suspect not everyone would say yes. A very clear majority would say that land was stolen by the “Filthy” Chinese.
问一个越南人。云南,广西和广东的部分地区是否曾是越南的一部分?考虑到中越敌对关系的时间线要长得多,我怀疑并不是所有人都会说是的。但很明显,大多数人都会说土地是被 "肮脏 "的中国人抢走了。
That’s actually really quite similar to how the Chinese viewed the Southern tribes before their assimilation.This feeling of hatred will continue to persist, historical issues aren’t easy to patch up without modernization and economic interdependence. Don’t worry however, do French and German people hate each other? Germany again and again plunged France into decades of brutal war over and over again, even decades after WWII they still had ill-feeling towards each other, but as France and Germany modernized, this hatred began to die off.I suspect that will happen in terms of Cambodia-Vietnam and China-Vietnam some time in the future.
这其实和中国人看待被同化前的南方部落的看法很相似,这种仇恨的感觉会一直持续下去,没有了现代化和经济上的相互依存,历史问题不是那么容易弥补的。不过不用担心,法国人和德国人之间现在会互相仇恨吗?德国曾经一次又一次让法国陷入几十年的残酷战争,甚至在二战后的几十年里,他们对彼此的仇恨依然存在,但随着法国和德国的现代化,这种仇恨开始逐渐消亡。
Stephane Mahieu
While travelling in Cambodia about 10 years ago, I was surprised by how casually many would mention how evil is Vietnam. Usually it goes this way :
- Vietnamese army had invaded us many times in the past
- They stole the Mekong Delta and Saigon from us
- Now they''re taking our lands and bring criminality
- etc, etc...
大约十年前在柬埔寨旅游时,我很惊讶于很多人都会很随意地提到,越南有多么的邪恶。通常都是这样说的。
- 过去越南军队曾多次入侵我们的家园
- 他们从我们手中抢走了湄公河三角洲和西贡的土地
- 现在他们还在抢走我们的土地,并把犯罪行为带到了我们的地盘上。
等等,等等
Looking at their history, no wonder there''s some resentment. Part of actual Vietnam used to be Khmer and even most of actual Cambodia has been under vietnamese colonial rule.
And yet a bit of admiration too. "Soon Vietnam will be as develloped as Japan" told me once a very uninformed young man. . So basically Vietnam is as popular in Cambodia than China in Vietnam.
看看他们的历史,也难怪会有一些怨恨。实际上越南的一部分地区曾经是高棉人的,甚至柬埔寨的大部分地区也在越南的殖民统治下。但他们也有一些钦佩越南,"很快越南就会像日本一样发达了",有一次,一个不知情的年轻人曾对我说,"很快越南就会像日本一样发达" 。所以基本上越南在柬埔寨,相比中国在越南更受欢迎。
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Trinh Nguyen
Ok not sure if I am qualified to answer this question but will try my best. From what I know, they do not like Vietnamese and hate Vietnamese just like how some Vietnamese hate Chinese and some Chinese hate Japanese. I once knew this one guy who is nguoi Cham so not sure if he counts as Cambodian but he once said this one phrase to me that still bothers me to this day. He said “ Vietnamese tried to commit genecide towards us!” I was dumbfounded and did not know anything about it. However, what I found funny was that he was dating a Vietnamese girl too but not sure if they ever got married or not. so I guess not all Cambodians hate Vietnamese as some still intermarry. I think everything is in the past now so I hope we can all move forward and stop with all of the hate.
好吧,不知道我是否有资格回答这个问题,但我会尽力而为。据我所知,他们不喜欢越南人,讨厌越南人,就像有些越南人讨厌中国人,有些中国人讨厌日本人一样。我曾经认识一个家伙,他是占族,所以不知道他是否算作柬埔寨人,他曾经对我说过一句话,至今仍让我很困扰。他说:"越南人试图对我们进行种族灭绝!" 我当时听得目瞪口呆,对此一无所知。不过,我觉得有趣的是,他也和一个越南女孩约会,但不知道后来他们有没有结婚。所以我想不是所有的柬埔寨人都讨厌越南人,因为有些人还在通婚。我想一切都已经过去了,所以我希望我们都能向前看,不要再去在记着这些仇恨了。
Robert Nguyen
As expected! The memory is to fresh! Not long ago the whole South VN was part of Cambodia. I think it is bigger than the current Cambodia. Well, that is human history and behavior: conquering and conquering when you can. The Cambodians owe a lot to the French. Without them, I think Cambodia would be no more, for that matter, no more Laos. There would be now just Vietnam. Khmer empire with Angkor Watt was a powerful and huge country. Vietnam used to be a tiny country around Hanoi. The up and down of the history.
不出所料!记忆犹新! 在不久以前,整个南越南还是柬埔寨的一部分。我记得过去的柬埔寨比现在的柬埔寨要大的多。嗯,这就是人类的历史和行为:能征服就征服。柬埔寨人欠法国人很多。如果没有他们,我想柬埔寨就不存在了,老挝也不会有了,现在就只剩下越南。高棉帝国与吴哥王朝曾是一个强大而庞大的国家。而越南曾经是一个围绕着河内的小国。历史上的风水轮流转。
Anonymous
We hate Vietnamese.
Vietnam did nothing but harm to Cambodia, stole and looted and took our land away from us. Hypocrites know nothing else but to cry when they got some small islands taken away from them by China but they don’t have a word in the world about Khmer Krom.
I hope Vietnam gets bombed to dust and we can take back what is ours.
我们讨厌越南人。越南除了对柬埔寨造成伤害外,什么也没做,只知道偷窃和掠夺,把我们的土地夺走。越南的伪君子们什么都不知道,只知道被中国抢走了一些小岛后就哭鼻子,但他们对高棉的事却不闻不问。我希望越南被炸成灰烬,希望我们可以夺回属于我们的东西。